<p dir="ltr">(Apologies for cross posting. Still don't know which would be the right community for this)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Updated draft (incomplete). Open to more suggestions, helped me a lot in the past. Thanks in advance,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sebastián Samaruga.</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jim Whitescarver" <<a href="mailto:jimscarver@gmail.com">jimscarver@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Sebastián,<br><div><br></div><div>The problem of wrappers that unify heterogeneous sources is universal. A survey of tools and languages for this purpose is needed. This is a hard problem often requiring a human brain to resolve.</div><div><br></div><div>The framework you suggest models human brain processes, which can extend human memory with vast datasets logically connected. I like it.</div><div><br></div><div>A DARPA proposal I worked on planned employing machine learning which may be applied to learning about the data and the state of knowledge and rules of the questioner recognizing fields by their content and resolving ambiguities by asking intelligent questions knowing the questioner, according to their rules. Your framework might provide scaffolding for such an effort.</div><div><br></div><div>FreeTrust.org in DivvyDAO.org proposes crowd sourcing oncologies for security, identity, trust and cooperation employing Bayesian learning and maximum entropy with deep learning ultimately. <br></div><div><br></div><div>This focus is because I believe security and identity are most essential to humanity in the realm of the online society faced with information war. We are responsible for keeping ahead of our adversaries</div><div><br></div><div>Others might bring other classes of ontologies into the fray and we may begin to reify the semantic web vision of augmented human intelligence. The dream has been slow in coming. I suggest we learn to collaborate better.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Sebastian Samaruga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ssamarug@gmail.com" target="_blank">ssamarug@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">The point is that, in fact, I'm not leaving the simplicity and beauty of single RDF quads but I try to reify everything in a model, from SPOs to triples, into a metamodel which allows for augmenting this reification(s) with useful metadata which is, in turn, encoded into an RDF quads model useful for type, relationship and behavior inference.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sebastián.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 1, 2016 9:24 PM, "Timothy Holborn" <<a href="mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com" target="_blank">timothy.holborn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You've cross-posted to a bunch of communities i'm not directly linked-to and whilst i understand the context of having a community discussion; i don't really understand what additional functionality you are attempting to obtain via what appears to be far more complex modelling than the relative beauty / simplicity of triples/quads. Have you tried to build the functional outcome that you are trying to define a solution to, using existing linked-data systems?<div><br></div><div>It's worth nothing that the development of what is termed 'RDF' or 'Linked Data' in its simple form; has been a work of art produced by many notable individuals over a period that extends to decades, but moreover, embodies close to 20 years work, patent related IP rationalisation and a great many other complex feats 'ticked off' through a structure that may perhaps be considered 'too simple' by the initiated. Like all good things...</div><div><br></div><div>Whilst i never like to suggest ideas put-forward do not have some merit in some form (even when i can't identify it) i do wonder whether you might be better off working with existing projects to identify how the sorts of things you are trying to achieve; may be done achieved collaborative efforts, with others.</div><div><br></div><div>Hereafter; a few pointers.</div><div><br></div><div>Kingsley has an array of materials online which in-turn fit into a solution you can test. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/kidehen/" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/kide<wbr>hen/</a> <br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/kidehen/videos" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/user/k<wbr>idehen/videos</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Some of these videos outline functionality that provides interoperability between RDBMS and RDF. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/solid/solid" target="_blank">https://github.com/solid/solid</a><wbr> is a project that looks to decentralise. If you are interested in building an APP, i'm sure they'd be interested in more helpers. It is likely important though that you are able to develop the app.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://linda.epu.ntua.gr/" target="_blank">http://linda.epu.ntua.gr/</a> is a neat little tool that helps you easily remap data (ie: CSV data) into RDF. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://vowl.visualdataweb.org/webvowl/index.html#iri=http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/schema/versions/2016-08-09.n3" target="_blank">http://vowl.visualdataweb.org/<wbr>webvowl/index.html#iri=http://<wbr>lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocab<wbr>s/schema/versions/2016-08-09.n<wbr>3</a> is an example of a tool that can help to visualise ontologies. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://cse.google.com/" target="_blank">https://cse.google.com/</a> helps perform queries based on structured data. <a href="http://lod-cloud.net/" target="_blank">http://lod-cloud.net/</a> is a bunch of structured data.</div><div><br></div><div>Semantic Reasoning, <a href="http://et.al" target="_blank">et.al</a>. leads to knowledge about <a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/sp<wbr>arql11-query/</a> which in-turn leads me suggesting you play with <a href="http://json-ld.org/playground/" target="_blank">http://json-ld.org/playgr<wbr>ound/</a> and/or <a href="http://linkeddata.github.io/rdflib.js/example/people/social_book.html" target="_blank">http://linkeddata.githu<wbr>b.io/rdflib.js/example/people/<wbr>social_book.html</a> as an old example that should help.</div><div><br></div><div>Beyond that;</div><div><br></div><div>It takes time to understand what has already been made, why it's been made that way, and how to contribute. <a href="https://twitter.com/WebCivics/status/492707794760392704" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/WebCivics<wbr>/status/492707794760392704</a> i use often as an 'intro' piece. </div><div><br></div><div>If some particular function exists that is not supported by what is made, let us know. However i'm really not sure what the underlying principles are to the way in which you are trying to find purposeful means, at present. </div><div><br></div><div>The 'build a solid app' strategy may be a really good way to further demonstrate your ideas, IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>hope something noted above is useful for you.</div><div><br></div><div>Tim. Holborn.<div><div class="m_-1693099545938669075h5"><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 at 03:23 Sebastian Samaruga <<a href="mailto:ssamarug@gmail.com" target="_blank">ssamarug@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">Those sets (and classes) are my ontology. Consider like I'm reifying subjects, predicates, objects and triples into sets and 'calculating' its kinds and this allows for schema less data sources (plain RDF triple sources) type, relationships and behavior inference. That's why I bother with metamodels, because I don't rely with source data coming with an schema or ontology and I have to build or infer one and link and merge it with existing ones. Then, the metamodels allow, for example, to build a LDP or other protocol service from the schema less sources by means of the inferred metadata. The whole document explains how this is intended to be implemented.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">Best Regards,<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
Sebastián Samaruga.</p>
<div class="gmail_extra m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"><br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">On Oct 1, 2016 10:02 AM, "Timothy Holborn" <<a href="mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">timothy.holborn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">+1</p>
<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">On Sat., 1 Oct. 2016, 10:16 pm Martynas Jusevičius, <<a href="mailto:martynas@graphity.org" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">martynas@graphity.org</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sebastian,<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: why do you need to build<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
a (meta)model above RDF? Kind, SubjectKind, Dimension etc. -- why is<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
all this stuff necessary?<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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Do not attempt to extend RDF, and drop the UML/object-oriented models.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
Instead, work *within* RDF: use triples to store data, and use OWL<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
ontologies, classes, properties, datatypes etc. to model your domain.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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Those are the only things you need. Show us your ontologies, then you<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
will get better responses. You can try some of these ontology editors:<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
<a href="http://protege.stanford.edu/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://protege.stanford.edu/</a><br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
<a href="http://www.cognitum.eu/semantics/FluentEditor/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.cognitum.eu/semanti<wbr>cs/FluentEditor/</a><br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
<a href="http://www.topquadrant.com/tools/modeling-topbraid-composer-standard-edition/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.topquadrant.com/too<wbr>ls/modeling-topbraid-composer-<wbr>standard-edition/</a><br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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Martynas<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 5:20 AM, Sebastian Samaruga <<a href="mailto:ssamarug@gmail.com" class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg" target="_blank">ssamarug@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> (Apologies for cross posting / over posting)<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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> Hi, I'm currently a software student and developer. Since I've meet semantic<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> related technologies development about twelve years ago I've been revolving<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> with the idea that a framework could be built that could ease building<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> semantic business applications as they are frameworks for Java and<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> relational databases.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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> A lot of time passed. Now many big players offer solutions that somehow rely<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> on semantics for their work. And although this could seem strange, here in<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> Buenos Aires I couldn't find anyone really interested in the area, being in<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> academia or places I've worked in.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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> So, having no one to share my thoughts with, I'm frequently publishing<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> documents to this list(s) hoping for some kind of peer's feedback. Sorry if<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> this aren't the right lists or I'm off topic. I send my attachment as a PDF<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> document. Anyone willing to comment in the original just ask me for the<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> Google Docs link.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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> Note: I've sent this draft before but in a very early version state. I<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> invite anyone interested in reading to see the last section (Dashboards).<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> Maybe I'm wrong but I think there is a lot of innovation that may be done<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> regarding that subject (sorry for the poor diagrams :--)<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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> Best Regards,<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
> Sebastián Samaruga.<br class="m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615m_-9185909001683355228m_8565211606824757305gmail_msg m_-1693099545938669075m_2862413327207073233m_9026594385493034615gmail_msg">
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